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TV Tuesday: Doctor Who



lost_spook showed me this video a while ago. I don't normally post about TV, but I've been watching a lot of Doctor Who lately, and this captures the essence of the show: running, hugs, amazing clothes, the occassional killer robot, more hugs, goofy dancing, love and resiliance. It's about a time-traveling alien and his human friends, and it's as beautiful a mess as anything ever made. It's been running for over fifty years, and I hope it never stops.

I want to have the same last dream again,
The one where I wake up and I'm alive.
Just as the four walls close me within,
My eyes are opened up with pure sunlight.
I'm the first to know, my dearest friends,
Even if your hope has burned with time,
Anything that's dead shall be re-grown,
And your vicious pain your warning sign:
You will be fine.

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lost_spook
Jul. 23rd, 2015 11:35 am (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥
evelyn_b
Jul. 25th, 2015 04:37 am (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

Also, I just watched The Night of the Doctor as you recommended and ♥Paul McGann♥ was in it! Looking a little worse for the wear, but that's to be expected.

It was SO GOOD but also TOO DAMN SAD, in the now-venerable Doctor Who tradition.

(♥)
lost_spook
Jul. 25th, 2015 07:58 am (UTC)
Also, I just watched The Night of the Doctor as you recommended and ♥Paul McGann♥ was in it!

\o/ I'm glad you managed to get to it unspoiled, so it was as much a surprise to you as it was to the rest of us in 2013. It just suddenly appeared and there was Paul McGann! Onh my TV! (I used the red button at the time & lo! Eight!) *flails* (And he talks about his audio companions! "Charley" is one of his last words! Oh, Eight! Oh, Charley!!! ♥ *cough* Sorry. I have Eight/Charley BF feels. I can't help it.)

It was SO GOOD but also TOO DAMN SAD, in the now-venerable Doctor Who tradition.

Aww. ♥
evelyn_b
Jul. 25th, 2015 04:24 pm (UTC)
PURE DELIGHT. I had some inkling that Paul McGann was going to make an appearance at some point, but when "The Name of the Doctor" started I just assumed he was going to be one of the cameo faces of the Doctor from Clara's timeline adventure, and I was already excited about the possibility of seeing him again on those terms. Giving him his own short film, where he can snark up a storm and crank the pathos up to maximum volume, was a stroke of genius and also just a great gift to DW fans.

I really appreciate the inclusiveness of the new show when it comes to Eight. Like, the movie was not good and made some unfortunate and confusing decisions (a half-human Doctor? WHY? also no, that's stupid), and it would have made sense for them to just scrap that continuity entirely. But instead they include Paul McGann in Past Doctor Slideshows (and his face appeared in John Smith's dream journal in "Human Nature,") and give him an audio series (though I don't know exactly what the relationship is of Big Finish to Official Who, so maybe that doesn't count?) and give him this great little closing scene, so that he's integrated into the official timeline. I don't know, it's just generous and. . . kind of in the spirit of the show, in that it's working with whatever it has to hand to make something great.

And he talks about his audio companions!

That was the best thing! It was a great shoutout to audio fans, and it assured Eight fans who had never heard the audios that he'd been living his own rich life full of adventures all this time, and for New Who viewers who had never seen the movie, it was another glimpse of the Doctor's long and complicated history.

♥, in other words.
lost_spook
Jul. 26th, 2015 12:17 pm (UTC)
Giving him his own short film, where he can snark up a storm and crank the pathos up to maximum volume, was a stroke of genius and also just a great gift to DW fans.

Indeed! And we were glad! (or most of us were; you can never keep the whole fandom happy.)

I don't think the BBC has ever seriously tried to pretend that Eight never happened? Even though the TVM wasn't great, and it didn't do well enough for a series in the US, what it did do was to hit up high ratings over here and prove that the country had a desire to see DW back. It just took a while longer for the rights to revert to the BBC. So many of the novel writers were now the movers and shakers in UK TV, that it was clear one of them was going to get to bring it back, sooner or later. And while I have reservations about some of RTD's era, I'm really glad it was him, because I don't think any of the others would have had the nerve and the optimism to go for making it completely still a family show and reclaiming Saturday tea time - I think anyone else would have gone a little darker and wanted a prime time spot. But it worked & proved to everyone that you could still get that audience, which was lovely even beyond DW. :-)

(I think, because US viewers don't see it in that context, I think sometimes they can be way more frustrated with the more child-friendly aspects of it because it's a side-cult thing, whereas here it's always been a mainstream family show, loved by children.)

... and I seem to have rambled waaaay off the point there, which was that I was going to say that the BBC have always been happy to claim Eight, because the TVM actually did okay here. First off there were the official BBC novels (taking over from the New Adventures), and then Big Finish got permission to use Eight & Paul McGann on board. Some people were a little unhappy that the novels didn't get namechecked too (especially their long-running companion Fitz), but it was both a tribute to everything Big Finish have been doing & also because the BBC aren't allowed to advertise merchandise - but a lot of the BFAs had been broadcast freely on radio. (Besides, as I said at the time, BF have done an adventure with Fitz in! So if BF is canon, so is Fitz anyway.)

Eight actually has a long and complicated set of adventures in the comics, the novels and the audios, and actually, they're all pretty good. I got a bit lost with the EDAs, but the Eighth Doctor comics were the one time I got into the strip in Doctor Who Magazine, because they were excellent, and the audios have been wonderful. Paul McGann is a great audio actor (even if we don't also have the pleasure of looking at him) and he's had some great storylines and companions. (You might be able to tell that I have a particarly soft spot for Charley, but Lucie Miller is also pretty awesome.)

And, yeah, long and complicated history! It's great. You can dive into any bit of it you want, and ignore the bits you don't, and no matter how long you've been into it, there's always something more to get into - whether in different format, or spin-offs, or whatever!

(Which can be daunting but also v enticing.)
evelyn_b
Jul. 27th, 2015 03:57 am (UTC)
That is all really interesting! I have now listened to one audio segment (involving the World Cup and a thwarted invasion of Earth), and it was pretty adorable, despite some very bad comedy Italian accents. I'll probably end up listening to some more in the near future.

I can't tell you how happy I am that Doctor Who didn't get rebooted as Dark N Gritty Adult Sci-Fi.
lost_spook
Jul. 27th, 2015 08:14 am (UTC)
Heh, me too!

(And that audio sounds like the Eight and Charley short freebie I once got with Doctor Who Magazine? Which is, indeed, pretty adorable. ♥)
lost_spook
Jul. 25th, 2015 09:10 am (UTC)
Also, btw, there was another web-only anniversary extra: The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot but I don't know how much sense it will make to you yet?

Certainly, it should not be watched (or even clicked on) until after you've reached the anniversary story itself, but basically Peter Davison (Fifth Doctor) put together this half-hour of cracky RPF in which he, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy (Six and Seven) are concerned they will be left out of the anniversary story and come up with a desperate plan to be included, aside from just pestering Steven Moffat with daily phone calls.

There are some very fannish in-jokes, but the general gist and crack is accessible and some New Who cast and crew make appearances, plus Paul McGann (though you will understand already why he mysteriously disappears from their campaign halfway through). So you have the link and you can decide. (Unless the BBC have region-locked it since, but I don't believe so.)

I don't know how much behind the scenes stuff you are aware of, but it's worth knowing that Georgia Moffett who played Jenny in The Doctor's Daughter is Peter Davison's daughter and she went on to marry David Tennant, so she is totally both the Doctor's daughter and the Doctor's wife for real. :-)
evelyn_b
Jul. 25th, 2015 04:26 pm (UTC)
I am not going to look at it until I finish watching the specials! But it sounds pretty funny -- thanks! :D
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